Curse

Akshara · Jun 04, 2005, 08:02 PM // 20:02

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I have pretty much stopped playing with warriors unless they are my guild mates. Otherwise the "best and only way" to handle a quest is by rushing stupidly into large groups aggroing everything that moves.

I'd just like to say that as a warrior myself, this is a major stereotype that is not relegated to warriors alone. I'm the type of warrior who will stop and survey the surrounding area, looking for the right targets and waiting for when the mobs have arranged themselves in a manner to pull the aggro in the most effective way. But so far in just about every single PUG I've joined, some idiot Ranger or Elementalist gets impatient and runs ahead throwing an attack spell or skill, totally blowing any chance of using strategy or tactics whatsoever. It's extremely frustrating to say the least.

Yes certainly, there are rambo warriors out there... a lot of them. But playing as a warrior myself, I've found that there are apparently just as many rambo rangers and elementalists who exhibit the same behavior. So next time you guys think it's the warrior who drew down a mob of 25 creatures on you, maybe look to the Ele or Ranger or freaking stupid pet that managed to walk ahead of the warrior and attracted three mobs by not paying attention to their range circle or positioning...

Just an fyi.

Aloren · Jun 04, 2005, 08:10 PM // 20:10

Playing a W/E I don't really spend points in tactics and I don't always have alot to buff myself. I do, however, have endure pain to give me that extra few seconds I need. an extra 240 hp gives your monk alot of time to crank out that heal when you're in a dire situation.
It's honestly saved my arse more times than I can count.

Zoolooman · Jun 04, 2005, 10:01 PM // 22:01

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Originally Posted by Mimu

That's kind of difficult when you have a group of 'invincible' W/Mo's charging monsters and spreading out so you can't reach them.

W/Mo's can be great PvE tanks with good damage over time, but you never need more than one per a group, and he needs to play smart.

I have a swords/protection/tactics W/Mo, and he's very useful. He's there to protect the other characters while they dish out the really heavy damage. Sadly, too many pubbie W/Mo's see themselves as healers instead of protectors and build a redundant and suboptimal character. Healing is a monk's job, not a warrior's.

Zoolooman · Jun 04, 2005, 10:09 PM // 22:09

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Originally Posted by Akshara

some idiot Ranger

Moronic rangers cause me no end of trouble. I can handle a rambo warrior. The smart players and I just run away and let the idiot die alone. On the other hand, I can't handle a rambo ranger. The idiot shoots the enemies, panics when they all charge, and immediately buries himself inside the party, training an army of baddies onto us. It sucks. :[

Mina · Jun 04, 2005, 10:47 PM // 22:47

would be nice if that vid is formated to play on QuickTime or Windows media player./

DarrenJasper · Jun 04, 2005, 11:30 PM // 23:30

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Originally Posted by Zoolooman

Moronic rangers cause me no end of trouble. I can handle a rambo warrior. The smart players and I just run away and let the idiot die alone. On the other hand, I can't handle a rambo ranger. The idiot shoots the enemies, panics when they all charge, and immediately buries himself inside the party, training an army of baddies onto us. It sucks. :[

Quoted for truth

Kapper · Jun 23, 2005, 04:44 AM // 04:44

Hmmm, my main character is a monk so I know well the pain of foolish teammates. I also know the joys of a good and sometimes great teams. But I watched this video and all I saw was you just standing there watching them die and not casting a single protection or heal...then running away while using healing breeze on yourself and making fun of them. Dunno how this is supposed to show your warrior teammates being the silly ones. Seems to me you just screwed them over. Maybe their plan wasn't the best but they weren't charging into battle or doing things individually. They made a plan as a team. The only one who did his own thing was YOU.

Nice video capture, though.

Gaara · Jun 23, 2005, 05:01 AM // 05:01

Errr- All I am seeing is the casual WMP flashy circles, and then I hear some StarWars music.

bobrath · Jun 23, 2005, 02:38 PM // 14:38

Lets not forget stupid monks! (long story coming up.. sry)

Last night doing The Wilds and I was the primary healer. As it happend another level 14 primary monk was in the group as well. Initially I'm thinking, great if he's at all competent I won't have to worry about bitching the group out for not letting my nrg regen. The two of us together can keep the group alive without draining energy after every couple battles...

Up through getting the seed for the bonus everything was working great, then the other monk decides he can do better healing from the front lines... Proceeds to agro 3-4 groups of 4 centaurs. Our two warriors try to save hsi bacon, our ranger and nuker both do their best to whittle down the numbers... until the other monk gets scared and runs (wait for it) forward. Yes, just aggro'd more. He turn around runs back past the warriors and drags the new group into the ranger, nuker, and me...

I've been keeping up with the warriors health and might have pulled it out until dimwit activated. Both warriors drop within 30 seconds of each other and I see the mass of man-horse coming at us. I know we're toast, so I turn to run. What does the other healer do? try to rez one of the warriors...

Fast forward a minute or two. I've managed to rez the elementalist as he was the furthest from the mobs. I tell him as I'm rezing, "run towards me". He does and the combination of my healing and his running gets him away from the mobs. Great! These centaurs like to drop a spirit and then put traps around it. If you kill the spirit or activate the traps, they come back down to set it again. Ok, so I tell the team, "do not attack this spirit or go near it." and I explain the logic. Even better, the centaurs are dropping symbiosis something that makes my enchantments even more effective...

Next guy to rez is a bit further in, but its the monk and I figure that means with coordination we can rez the party faster and get back on track. Same commands to run towards me after being rezed. What does he do? Stands there and starts casting healing spells on himself... Yes he dies. I fall back, rez the ranger and its all good (ranger can listen too). I'm feeling sorry for the warriors since they're all but under the centaurs but I know we can do better if I can get the other monk alive... this time he does run towards me first, but then decides that mean spirit needs to die... Yes he dies again.

So I tell the warriors I'll rez just one of them and do everything I can to keep him alive. We get some great support from the ranger we manage to pull the warrior to saftey. I leave the other monk dead. We head back in, the lone warrior is doing a great job with stances and this clusters the mobs enough to let the elementalist do some quality nuking. I rez the other warrior and everything is gravy. End of battle, I rez the other monk.

For the rest of the mission, I just let the other monk die in every battle. I swear he must have been trying to use healing touch... Thanks to me not needing to waste energy on the other monk, I was able to keep the rest of the very well behaved party alive and peachy. I'm sure that Junior Mint was tossing so healing in there somewhere, but I also know that his life bar jumped up and down a ton. I kinda enjoyed the fact that mobs will target the weakest member and thanks to his 60%dp... he was always that. Did a great job of taking fire off the tanks.

ANYWAY, where am I going with all this (aside from venting a bit)? There are bad healers out there that do give the rest of folks a bad name. So like all stereotypes, there are many exceptions. Its just too bad that some folks see being a Monk as making you the center of attention and the uber character. Players like the above monk... it just makes me sorry for the next group that picked him up thinking "woot we got a healer" and find out how wrong they were 3-4 battles in.

Thanks for reading!

Algren Cole · Jun 23, 2005, 02:48 PM // 14:48

I have healing spring...which gives me 42 HP every 2 seconds...I make the group aware of this before we leave and tell them that they need to keep in close proximity of me to alleviate the burden on the monk.....alot of people don't realize that the monk only has so much energy and that when it's gone he/she's gotta recharge.

solid video...I loved watching that warrior go rushing in alone

Algren Cole · Jun 23, 2005, 02:50 PM // 14:50

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Originally Posted by Zoolooman

Moronic rangers cause me no end of trouble. I can handle a rambo warrior. The smart players and I just run away and let the idiot die alone. On the other hand, I can't handle a rambo ranger. The idiot shoots the enemies, panics when they all charge, and immediately buries himself inside the party, training an army of baddies onto us. It sucks. :[

rangers that don't know their class are the worst to play with...

ZigZag Rollmeister · Jun 23, 2005, 03:02 PM // 15:02

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

rangers that don't know their class are the worst to play with...

LOL N00B.

Calimar · Jun 23, 2005, 03:11 PM // 15:11

As an ele/mesmer I have to agree with Eclair - I never use aura of restoration anymore. It helps a lot when I'm at full health but when I'm in danger and would really need the health it usually means i'm very low on energy (not much is gonna get near or stay near and alive for long) - and thus aura of restoration doesn't help much. Lately, I used it only when I had a charm +5 energy when on enchantments

Well, everyone should try playing a monk once to realize the difficulty. Having being a "medic" in other games (MUDs, MOOs), I definitely know what I'm talking about. Rare is the one who says thanks, or that realizes how big a part of the victory goes to the healer.

Mimi Miyagi · Jun 23, 2005, 04:53 PM // 16:53

The only thing that video proved is that some monks are jerks and don't know how to play. Noob? You're playing with a PUG party in the UW, and your poor healing skills and skill selections have resulted in the entire party having a DP of -60% (I assume) - it's so bad that you've decided it's easier to just go around and rez people instead of healing them?

Who is the noob in the video again?

/me shakes his head in wonder.

Kapper · Jun 23, 2005, 05:29 PM // 17:29

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

.I loved watching that warrior go rushing in alone

??? That warrior did nothing of the sort. One warrior ran ahead to attempt a pull (horrible pull, though) and then ran back to the group who was waiting. I swear some people decide on what they will see before they actually watch something.

Awesome story bobrath. I got quite a few chuckles out of reading that. I'd say the retarded monks are only about 5% of them out there, but they wind up leaving quite an impression on you, don't they? Especially if you are a second healer and thus can really see what they are doing (or not doing). I pray (har har) I'm never teamed with such a fool in an area like Fissure.

kungfumonkey2 · Jun 23, 2005, 06:15 PM // 18:15

I love being a Monk, for some reason I just feel like I have the fate of the world in my hands as one.

Oh yes I love the WaMo's, they are so great. Just like a retarded little brother. At first I used to hate them, and curse them. Now I just laugh and applaude their antics.

I have more trouble with WaMo's in RiverSide than any other mission. I do not know what it is about his level.

I will heal my ass off for my team though. I even heal pets, up to ascension. After that pets do not get anymore love.

But I move at my own pace, after a long engagement I will sit and wait for my energy to regen. Or, I will follow very far behind. Energy for a monk regens pretty fast, so I do not need to wait to long. If they run off ahead though they do it without me. Some members may get mad at me, but what good is a monk with no energy?

As a Mo/R though I keep StormChaser equiped, so incase some one decides to aggro a bunch of new friends I can turn on the afterburners. Then when it is safe I will return to res.

If you have a particular player that likes to be up front taking on the world. Typing in CAPS does nothing. Except receive a response typed in caps. I have learned that sarcasm can go a long ways. "Hey you are an awesome tank, you dont need us for this mission, we can stay here and dance.", "I guess that group of drakes did not want to play with you after all."

Mr_Intangible · Jun 23, 2005, 06:32 PM // 18:32

I get groups like that all the time that I wrote a disclaimer (No joke)! DISCLAIMER: Monk is not responsible for deaths occured on this quest/or mission. When I say rest everyone in party must stop. I will heal were healing is needed.
Accept or Decline

I really do this now

its sad.

Zilm · Jun 23, 2005, 07:06 PM // 19:06

The type casting of the classes is just plain overdone. Our guild has numerous intelligent players in all classes and a few poor ones that cover them all too. That's just life.

And your "strategy" for that part of Fissure was just asking for defeat. The blame is not on the Monk or the warrior but the whole team.

KaPe · Jun 23, 2005, 07:15 PM // 19:15

The best warrior for me is Stefan - he attacks what you want, he doesn't charge enemies unless you tell him to or they attack, he has self heal

That's more than you can expect from 90% of Rambos out there. Plus he doesn't badmouth *ever*. Only thing he says is "Charge!".

Mr_Intangible · Jun 23, 2005, 07:19 PM // 19:19

Thats the way it should be KaPe...the way it should be....